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Posted Wednesday, April 09, 2008 5:47 PM

Monks Protest Before Media, Again

By Jonathan Ansfield
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Posted By: Mickeyo (May 1, 2008 at 4:24 AM)

Native Hawaiians that advocates sovereignty locked the gates of a historic palace Wednesday in downtown Honolulu.

Protest leader Mahealani Kahau said the group doesn't recognize Hawaii as a U.S. state. Supporters planned to keep the protest peaceful and if evicted would return later, she said.

The group is one of several Hawaiian sovereignty organizations in the islands seeking to regain independence, which was formally annexed as the 50th U.S. state in 1959.


Posted By: hkc2001 (April 13, 2008 at 5:13 AM)

'Later a senior monk told journalists the monks would not be punished but faced sanctions if authorities found that they had broken the law. ', You think there is anything wrong with this? Violent riots should be put down. I'll go to Beijing Olympics, and I'm going to have a great time with countless others. Too bad not many people are buying your anti-chinese diatribe.


Posted By: ChristianAmerican (April 12, 2008 at 4:17 PM)

Fondly do we hope--fervently do we pray--that this mighty scourge of the second Opium War may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the humiliation imposed by the White European's four hundred years of unqualified domination shall be dispatched, and until every drop of blood drawn by the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said, "The judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."


Posted By: ChristianAmerican (April 12, 2008 at 3:59 PM)

Melinda Liu joined a crowd of Tibetan thugs and white liberal spiritual tourists in the West to feverishly find any excuse to bash China based on lies and fabrication and distortion of facts. Yes, we are all brain-washed and too nationalistic to undestand your points of views (we cannot even read Chinese, unlike Melinda Liu, for Christ sake!). We, who believe Da liar Lama is nothing but a cunning politician, are too dumb to undestand your spiritual well-being of the American liberal — the paternalistic attitude that says, “Oh, well, people only do thing differently from me because they are ignorant and brain-washed and backward.”

Like the Chinese caricatures whose portrait Melinda has drawn with the subtlety of a juvenile delinquent scrawling an obscene image on a high-school-bathroom-stall door, Melinda Liu and her cohorts (again, mainly Tibetan elitists and White liberals from West Europe, North America, and Austrialia) have declared war agains 1.3 billion people who have survived far worse things than Olympics or economic boycotts for many millennia. The land of China was given to the Chinese by the Lord and no one can take it away.

This is the begining of the second Opium War, and we are going to win it. "The judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."


Posted By: JojoChrist (April 12, 2008 at 2:28 PM)

Why does the west hate China so much no matter how China behaves itself?

Well, the article below maybe can answer this question.

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/art icle/4963/


Posted By: Goocoona (April 12, 2008 at 10:06 AM)

I doubt on whether the journalist has been to Tibet, Qinghai, Gansu....

If you have been there, you should know the god for many Tibetan in Qinghai, Gansu is Panchen instead of Dalai. ... pls tell a comprehensive and true story, instead of a fiction.


Posted By: tonygu (April 11, 2008 at 11:11 PM)

Promisous , you shold check the crimes of white man in north America. All the people except for local indians should retreat this continent back Europe, Asia and Africa. The real Genocide was carried out by Spanish and British white man. FREE AMERICAN INDIAN. US is a illegal country.


Posted By: lanmat (April 11, 2008 at 1:18 PM)

I see there are some "trolls" on this forum, pretending to be furious Westerners or Chinese. All of you, get a life. Go and play outside. This forum needs to be filtered or else it becomes a (bad) joke.


Posted By: GTO46 (April 11, 2008 at 4:38 AM)

FOR YOU DALAI MORON IS GOD

FOR 1.4 BILLION CHINESE INCLUDING TIBETANS HE IS DOG

SUPPORT NORTH KOREA

SUPPORT IRAN

SUPPORT CUBA

SUPPORT VENEZUELA

SUPPORT RUSSIA

SUPPORT ARABS MUSLIMS

SUPPORT COMMUNISTS

USA IS IN RECESSION,EURO IS NULL WITHOUT USA,THE WORLD IS CHANGING

ONCE AGAIN EAST WILL CONTROL WEST

YOU CAN FEAR YOU CAN CRY YOU CAN SUICIDE

YOU RAPED AFRICA,YOU RAPED ASIA,YOU RAPED NORTH AMERICA,YOU RAPED SOUTH AMERICA,YOU RAPED AUSTRALIA

YOU KNOW WHAT WE WILL RAPE YOU

YOU THINK WE FORGOT NO WE DIDN'T

WE JUST WAIT TO RAPE YOU

THIS TIME WE WILL DESTROY YOU

BUT WE ALLOW YOU TO PROTEST SINCE YOU LOVE PROTEST MORE THAN SEX


Posted By: GTO46 (April 11, 2008 at 3:54 AM)

FOR YOU DALAI MORON IS GOD

FOR 1.4 BILLION CHINESE INCLUDING TIBETANS HE IS DOG

SUPPORT NORTH KOREA

SUPPORT IRAN

SUPPORT CUBA

SUPPORT VENEZUELA

SUPPORT RUSSIA

SUPPORT ARABS MUSLIMS

SUPPORT COMMUNISTS

USA IS IN RECESSION,EURO IS NULL WITHOUT USA,THE WORLD IS CHANGING

ONCE AGAIN EAST WILL CONTROL WEST

YOU CAN FEAR YOU CAN CRY YOU CAN SUICIDE

YOU RAPED AFRICA,YOU RAPED ASIA,YOU RAPED NORTH AMERICA,YOU RAPED SOUTH AMERICA,YOU RAPED AUSTRALIA

YOU KNOW WHAT WE WILL RAPE YOU

YOU THINK WE FORGOT NO WE DIDN'T

WE JUST WAIT TO RAPE YOU

THIS TIME WE WILL DESTROY YOU

BUT WE ALLOW YOU TO PROTEST SINCE YOU LOVE PROTEST MORE THAN SEX


Posted By: GTO46 (April 11, 2008 at 3:53 AM)

FOR YOU DALAI MORON IS GOD

FOR 1.4 BILLION CHINESE INCLUDING TIBETANS HE IS DOG

SUPPORT NORTH KOREA

SUPPORT IRAN

SUPPORT CUBA

SUPPORT VENEZUELA

SUPPORT RUSSIA

SUPPORT ARABS MUSLIMS

SUPPORT COMMUNISTS

USA IS IN RECESSION,EURO IS NULL WITHOUT USA,THE WORLD IS CHANGING

ONCE AGAIN EAST WILL CONTROL WEST

YOU CAN FEAR YOU CAN CRY YOU CAN SUICIDE

YOU RAPED AFRICA,YOU RAPED ASIA,YOU RAPED NORTH AMERICA,YOU RAPED SOUTH AMERICA,YOU RAPED AUSTRALIA

YOU KNOW WHAT WE WILL RAPE YOU

YOU THINK WE FORGOT NO WE DIDN'T

WE JUST WAIT TO RAPE YOU

THIS TIME WE WILL DESTROY YOU

BUT WE ALLOW YOU TO PROTEST SINCE YOU LOVE PROTEST MORE THAN SEX


Posted By: GTO46 (April 11, 2008 at 3:36 AM)

FOR YOU DALAI MORON IS GOD

FOR 1.4 BILLION CHINESE INCLUDING TIBETANS HE IS DOG

SUPPORT NORTH KOREA

SUPPORT IRAN

SUPPORT CUBA

SUPPORT VENEZUELA

SUPPORT RUSSIA

SUPPORT ARABS MUSLIMS

SUPPORT COMMUNISTS

USA IS IN RECESSION,EURO IS NULL WITHOUT USA,THE WORLD IS CHANGING

ONCE AGAIN EAST WILL CONTROL WEST

YOU CAN FEAR YOU CAN CRY YOU CAN SUICIDE

YOU RAPED AFRICA,YOU RAPED ASIA,YOU RAPED NORTH AMERICA,YOU RAPED SOUTH AMERICA,YOU RAPED AUSTRALIA

YOU KNOW WHAT WE WILL RAPE YOU

YOU THINK WE FORGOT NO WE DIDN'T

WE JUST WAIT TO RAPE YOU

THIS TIME WE WILL DESTROY YOU

BUT WE ALLOW YOU TO PROTEST SINCE YOU LOVE PROTEST MORE THAN SEX


Posted By: GTO46 (April 11, 2008 at 3:16 AM)

WE ARE COMMUNISTS

WE ARE STRONGEST WE ARE GREATEST

YOU CAN ONLY FEAR MY POOR LAMBS

WE DON'T FEAR YOU AT ALL SO WE NEVER PROTEST YOU YOU MORONS


Posted By: GTO46 (April 11, 2008 at 3:12 AM)

BOYCOTT WEST

WEST SUCKS

WEST PEOPLE SUCKS

WEST PEOPLE  LEARN NOTHING

WEST PEOPLE ARE UGLY

DALAI MONKS IS MORE UGLY THAN WEST


Posted By: sunflower1 (April 11, 2008 at 2:16 AM)

comments on the things that you know a little, will get a completely fake result. You believe yourself are right, only because the false of your so what "confidence".


Posted By: Earthling (April 10, 2008 at 11:38 PM)

The vast majority of these "Free Tibet " morons can't even tell where Tibet is, does anyone expect them to know anything about Tibet's history? Free Tibet, wait, where is Tibet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twHzXN3kNTs


Posted By: ksdj (April 10, 2008 at 8:59 PM)

Here are some interesting quotes by the pro-Tibet side (Promisous, Codrojac):

"And you Chinese kinda look slightly yellow.....skin colour that is."

"Like the yellow rats that they are...."

"Chinese are worse than dog. BURN ALL CHINESE!!!"

"The Chinese are a very dangerous set of people"

"Mr Chinaman, What are your real intentions Mr Chinaman."

"Chinese Out. Expel all Chinese spies from our schools."

Resorting to racist hate speech against Chinese people makes the pro-Tibet side look questionable at best and downright racist and nutty at worst.


Posted By: ksdj (April 10, 2008 at 5:50 PM)

Here are some interesting quotes by the pro-Tibet side (Promisous, Codrojac):

"And you Chinese kinda look slightly yellow.....skin colour that is."

"Like the yellow rats that they are...."

"Chinese are worse than dog. BURN ALL CHINESE!!!"

"The Chinese are a very dangerous set of people"

"Mr Chinaman, What are your real intentions Mr Chinaman."

"Chinese Out. Expel all Chinese spies from our schools."

Resorting to racist hate speech against Chinese people makes the pro-Tibet side look questionable at best and downright racist and nutty at worst.


Posted By: bwang2005@gmail.com (April 10, 2008 at 4:28 PM)

Please check out this and you will understand who Dalai is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WyHd6efzKk


Posted By: ksdj (April 10, 2008 at 4:15 PM)

Here are some interesting quotes by the pro-Tibet side (Promisous, Codrojac):

"And you Chinese kinda look slightly yellow.....skin colour that is."

"Like the yellow rats that they are...."

"Chinese are worse than dog. BURN ALL CHINESE!!!"

"The Chinese are a very dangerous set of people"

"Mr Chinaman, What are your real intentions Mr Chinaman."

"Chinese Out. Expel all Chinese spies from our schools."

Resorting to racist hate speech against Chinese people makes the pro-Tibet side look questionable at best and downright racist and nutty at worst.


Posted By: dyeh9999 (April 10, 2008 at 3:50 PM)

Why are the French so upset with China in Tibet when we are still dealing with the mess French colonialism left behind in north Africa and the middleeast?  

Why are the British so concerned about Tibetan freedom and human rights when northern Ireland is still held by the English and Catholics are still treated as 2nd class citizens in their homeland.  

Why are the Americans so concerned about Tibetan freedom and human rights when thousands of people are being held in Guantanamo Bay subjected to "enhanced interrogation technics" with no access to legal representation and due process?  When the CIA are renditioning people to countries like Syria and Egypt to be tortured and killed?  How about their freedom and human rights?  Why, till this very day, we still have Indians living on reservations?  Shouldn't the American government return their land that they stole years ago?  

How about the human right of the Iragis?  My American and British brothers and sisters?  Do they count?  I'd say they a living under much worst conditions under the US and British occupation than the average Tibens under the Chinese.  Shouldn't you do something about all these before you start throwing stones at others?


Posted By: Chinese (April 10, 2008 at 3:35 PM)

I cannot deny that certain Chinese' behavior make me upset and feel ashamed as a Chinese.  No matter in China or in other countries, certain Chinese just behave very very selfishly, have no compassion for others, and trying to kick out other Chinese  (ie. Chinese kicking out each other, in China, or in a foreign country).  I think some Chinese will have same feeling as mine in certain way. As a good Chinese myself, I have also many bad experiences with certain bad Chinese overseas.  These bad Chinese just damage the image of Chinese as a whole.


Posted By: dyeh9999 (April 10, 2008 at 3:35 PM)

Perhaps The Chinese should learn from the leader of the free world - the USA -  in how to treat their unrully minorities.  Perhaps the Chinese should roundup all the Tibetants and march them across the land to reservations far from their homeland just like the Americans did to the Indians.  Maybe the Chinese will let the Tibetans to have their own casinos on their reservations.


Posted By: TGTTEO (April 10, 2008 at 1:07 PM)

To sukyevd, I say THANK YOU!

Thank you for speaking up. Thank you for sharing your personal experience with us.

This world needs more people like you, who speak from the heart. You were there you saw for yourself and you speak the truth.More people who had traveled to China should come forward to share your experiences so that all those who just parrot the China bashers and condemn China for lack of human rights, freedom of speech and worship will be enlightened.

China had come a long way and have of course a long way more still to go, some thing the leadership is painfully aware of and is trying their best to make good.

Of course the China bashers will continue come what may, they will not change their minds in any case.

So long as they represent less than 50% of the world population, I think its still a victory for China.

That's of course under the old concept of democracy we all once knew.

Today, with less than 30% approval rating, George W Bush continues to be the most powerful person on this planet.

Today, the protesters that represent a tiny fraction of a percent wield so much power that they hijacked the Olympic Games and bring cities like London, Paris and San Francisco to their knees.

This is modern DEMOCRACY. The few that rule the world.


Posted By: TGTTEO (April 10, 2008 at 12:03 PM)

Radmanaustin said, '...... there is conclusive evidence of brutal tortures that has been infected on citizen that oppose the government.'

I say to Radmanaustin, go look at Guantanamo worse brutal tortures are taking place in your own back yard!

The American government and the American military bunched all who oppose them as Talebans and continue to bomb and kill women, children and the aged just to get at a few so-called terrorists.

Don't think you're on a moral high ground that you can condemn others.


Posted By: GTO46 (April 10, 2008 at 10:34 AM)

How many of the protesters dare to say that they know what is really going on in Tibet?No country like China treat minority as equal as majority race.You west people make me happy,make me high,cuz I realize even your country is famous for so called HUMAN RIGHTS and Freedom,you have no knowleadge of rest of world,especially you have no knowledge about China.

Medlina Liu,I respect free speech,so I don't hate you even you are Chinese descent,but why you only listen to 0.001%(at most) people of Chinese,you never try to listen to 1.4 billion Chinese.And as a reporter in Beijing,you don't even know the history in Tibet at all???Shame for you.You might win some awards in USA,for Chinese,you are piece of sheet.

When Dalai monks said "History is history" I laughed so much,like the Japanese said "Hey Chinese friend, in World War 2 we didn't rape Nanking,we save. History is history!"

At last I want to point out how many of you know the fact that Dalai monks is the top slaveholder in Tibet? When he was chosen to be Dalai Lama in childhood,his whole family are slaves including himself.Do you know SLAVE?Do any slave live happy life in history??Until Chirman Mao Zedong liberated all Tibetans they are not slaves anymore.

I forgive all of you,because we Chinese are not like you,we are Chinese.


Posted By: Radmanaustin (April 10, 2008 at 9:18 AM)

I am an American Buddhist and have been following what has been going on in Tibet for the last 10 years.  It is beyond words the horrific things that the Chinese (government and officials wanting to make money at the expense of the Tibetan people) have done to the people and culture of Tibet.  You think building a few roads and planting scrubs makes up for this?  This article misses the whole point. I am deeply saddened to see monks beaten.  If you look for it, there is conclusive evidence of brutal tortures that has been infected on citizen that oppose the government.

http://chinaview.wordpress.com/2007/03/29/list-of-china-modern-torture-methods-photo/

What kind of society harbors this kind of hate and animosity in there heart?  I don’t need my country to boycott your Olympics.  I will not watch them and will encourage other not to watch them also.


Posted By: ChristianAmerican (April 10, 2008 at 9:06 AM)

Melinda Liu is following a familiar yet perverse path of demonizing a racial group based on lies and selective storyline. The quote of a taxi driver about oilfields (really?) in another province of China shows a disturbing pattern of deceit and manipulation of facts. The claim on the land in question is tantamount to claiming the oilfields in Russian Siberia by Chinese because the land where those oilfields lie was one-time under Chinese control. Melinda is an ethnic Chinese who feels racial inferiority. It is no surprising for what she has said, for it is the best career move she ever came up with, by trashing her own people in exchange for 30 pieces of silver. Sad!


Posted By: sukyevd (April 10, 2008 at 8:03 AM)

I travel to china each month and have been to hundreds of cities and dozens of provinces all over the Mainland, including Inner Tibet.  All I can say is that compared to the China that was when I first travelled to China in the late seventies, I must say that its a new China in every sense, from freedom of speech, to religion, economy and enterprise, and politics all under the peoples party, and they have done and keep doing a marvelous job by keeping in mind the interest of the people to get a better education and the farmers by giving them incentives and medical coverage.

All in all of all the countries I have been to, China is the most safe and secure, as I can walk out any time day or night without thinking twice, simply due to the fact that the crime rate is virtually non existent due to the harsh punishment, so crimivals know for sure that "crime does not pay" as it will be dealt with in a fast and efficient way. I am not that well versed in the history of Tibet but one thing I do know is that their economy, communications, infrastructure, has improved dramatically thanks to the China, similar to Israel improving the lives of its Israeli Arab citizens which was non existent prior to 1967, so the Tibetans should do everything in their power to recognize this as working in their favor for their own self growth, at the same time having their religious beliefs and freedoms intact uncompromised with or without the dalai lama. There is a saying in the USA, "dont look a gift horse in the mouth", and lets never forget that. Its always very gratifying to see the two leaders Wen Jibao, and Wu Jintao, being concerned about the welfare of its ordinary citizens which was so self evident during the harsh winter during Chinese New yaer spring festival, when the millions of migrant workers were unable to reach their homes, these two leaders made it their business to go to these cities where these peole were stuck to give them moral support, and even perhaps some financial reward! We can learn a bit from leaders like these and Ms Wu who has clamped down on food manufacturers who do not meet the minimum standards of health and hygeine, and have closed down thousands of plants. Its acts like these which proves the government is serious in making China a better environment in all aspects of life.

I am witness to the billions of trees, shrubbery, saplings, and grass being plantes all over China probably at a cost of billions of dollars in order to beautify the environment in addition to cleaning its air. I can go on and on of what I am clearly witness to traveling around China on a regular basis, which I can leave to a future forum. We must also keep in mind that China is still a developing nation although it is a world super power at the same time, and must be given its chance in the world order to develop at the pace that it is, which is so incredible and overwhelming which is impossible to understand unless one ses for oneself, so all I can say to China is to keep going and keep law and order to maintain social stability and a harmonious environment and let the rest of the world be envious and learn from your courage to stand up to crticism as well, as a great Jewish scholar once said, "i learn from everyone, but most of all from my students", so let China become the "student" to the world!


Posted By: Earthling (April 10, 2008 at 7:41 AM)

Here is what Tibet is all about

FREE TIBET!!1 Here's the Truth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6QTb35douw


Posted By: Earthling (April 10, 2008 at 7:41 AM)

Here's what the Dalai Lama is all about:

Free Tibet--Dalai Lama's Naked Truth Exposed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WyHd6efzKk


Posted By: Earthling (April 10, 2008 at 7:40 AM)

The vast majority of these "Free Tibet " morons can't even tell where Tibet is, does anyone expect them to know anything about Tibet's history?

Free Tibet, wait, where is Tibet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twHzXN3kNTs


Posted By: getzel (April 10, 2008 at 6:07 AM)

Hello Dalai, well hello Dalai, it be nice to have Tibet in your hands where it belongs; your crowds are swelling Dalai, we can tell Dalai, you're still glowin', the chinese are crowin', the protest is going strong;

public opinion is swayin, and everybody is praying, the Chinese leave and it will be like way back then;  So, give Hu the wrap fellas, get him off your back fellas, Dalai never go away, Dalai never go away, Dalai never go away again.


Posted By: getzel (April 10, 2008 at 6:06 AM)

No freedom of speech/religion for others: China VS. No freedom of speech/religion for others: Islam. My bet is on the weapons manufacturers.

They just so deserve each other; Hitchcock would love the irony.

Hu han Tibet to China? Hu invite han over of land?

Why those whose ancestors lived in Tibet feel Red China inflicts shame and humiliation on that Tibet population?

Intelligence analyst: Getzel


Posted By: bejjj357 (April 10, 2008 at 5:50 AM)

How convenient for us British and Americans that the more we talk about human rights abuses in china the less we have to talk about the war we started and the people we have killed in Iraq.

And wouldnt it be nice if Tibet was free and all the other ethnic minorities, plus the millions of Han chinese, can continue to live under a totalitarian state where human rights campaigners and lawyers are beaten up by police, imprisoned or just disappear. Obviously they are not worth bothering about, they're probably too evil to care about.


Posted By: Beelzebart (April 10, 2008 at 3:17 AM)

apple M wrote:

"PLEASE DON'T PUT THESE DIRTY POLITICS INTO OLYMPIC GAME.  RESPECT OLYMPIC GAME, JUST LIKE RESPECTING YOURSELF."

What a hypocrisy! As if Beijing isn't the absolute master of politicizing sports events. Didn’t China boycott the 1980 Moscow Olympic Games? Why did Beijing test its first nuclear missile during the 1964 summer games in Tokyo? Isn’t Beijing all the time pressuring organizers of events to exclude Taiwanese participants?

O, and by the way. If China doesn't want to mix sports with politics, then China shouldn't mix health with politics. When will Taiwan be allowed to enter the World Health Organization? China is playing politics with the lives of millions and now you’re whining about some protests. Grow up!


Posted By: victtodd (April 10, 2008 at 12:54 AM)

to Promisous

 Sorry to tell you bad news, your so called "free Tibet "course is doomed.


Posted By: robinhhh (April 9, 2008 at 11:09 PM)

A jounalist should write reports without bias. But I'm sorry to see that you're equipped with bias and disrespect before your interview. Maybe you are not deliberate. What make me shameful is that you ask whether Tibet should be indepent from China even after the elder said the both is like mother and daughter. Futher more, obviously you heard tibetans are satisfied with Chinese government's efforts, but you added your doubt (I don't think it's reasonable) into the article.

I accidentally found one report that may be closer to the truth - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/26/AR2008032603275.html


Posted By: getzel (April 9, 2008 at 9:45 PM)

Hello Dalai, well hello Dalai, it be nice to have Tibet in your hands where it belongs; your crowds are swelling Dalai, we can tell Dalai, you're still glowin', the chinese are crowin', the protest is going strong;

public opinion is swayin, and everybody is praying, the Chinese leave and it will be like way back then;  So, give Hu the wrap fellas, get him off your back fellas, Dalai never go away, Dalai never go away, Dalai never go away again.


Posted By: getzel (April 9, 2008 at 9:41 PM)

No freedom of speech/religion for others: China VS. No freedom of speech/religion for others: Islam. My bet is on the weapons manufacturers.

They just so deserve each other; Hitchcock would love the irony.

Hu han Tibet to China? Hu invite han over of land?

Why those whose ancestors lived in Tibet feel Red China inflicts shame and humiliation on that Tibet population?

Intelligence analyst: Getzel


Posted By: Shanezuo (April 9, 2008 at 8:24 PM)

Some Irrational liberals are now finding themselves face-to-face with the ghost of Hitler!!  Hahahahaha


Posted By: AppleM (April 9, 2008 at 7:59 PM)

ALL NATIONS, COUNTRIES, RACES AND PEOPLE:

PLEASE DON'T PUT THESE DIRTY POLITICS INTO OLYMPIC GAME.  RESPECT OLYMPIC GAME, JUST LIKE RESPECTING YOURSELF.


Posted By: JoeZonk (April 9, 2008 at 7:51 PM)

Promisous:  Why are you so soft on the communist?! They are committing genocide and you just want to stop trading with them? They need to be punished, no they need to be eliminated! Stop genocide, nuke the communist chinese!


Posted By: JoeZonk (April 9, 2008 at 7:21 PM)

autobotalex: me "sad testiment"?!  It's the true testament! Don't just get your news from the communist!  Get some truth from some other source.  It'll do you good.  And do you know genocide?  Why don't you want to stop communist chinese genocide of Tibetan?  You must be a communist chinese shill!


Posted By: autobotalex (April 9, 2008 at 7:13 PM)

JoeZonk is a sad testiment to the Tibetan separatist movement.


Posted By: autobotalex (April 9, 2008 at 7:11 PM)

Promisous, you are wrong. To not buy Chinese products, you will have to not sell to Chinese people. They are two sides of the same coin. Selling is what gets you the money to turn around and buy. So you should first ask all your sponsors to stop selling their goods and wares in China. International trade is a two-way street. Second, more and more of Made in China goods are coming from western regions of China, including Tibet. The Tibetan region economy has benefited greatly from China's overall growth; in fact, Tibet region has grown faster than China's 10% annual GDP growth. The cell phone referred to in this article probably is Made in China, and carried on China Mobile. I know I am not going to convince you, but you should know that no culture has ever completely survived modernization unchanged, not the Europeans, not the Chinese, and certainly not Tibetans.


Posted By: at70003 (April 9, 2008 at 7:06 PM)

Author writes: "They're got enough to know things could always be better -- alot better. And they're fed up."

I guess Newsweek journalists were sleeping in English class when the teacher explained "alot" is spelled "a lot."

Almost as sad as the Tibetan situation.


Posted By: JoeZonk (April 9, 2008 at 6:58 PM)

The world must stand on the side of justice not let the evil communist chinese achieve their goal of world domination.  They are mass killing in Tibet today and when the world's eyes are away from China after the Olympic, they will begin to exterminate all Tibetans!  We must not let them get away with this!  Save Tibet, please!  Call on the IOC to withdraw the olympic game from China!  Bring the murdurer of Tibetan people to justice.  Make the communist chinese pay for their crime against humanity! Boycott China, boycott Made in China!  Don't send our athletes to Beijin! Send some nuke instead!


Posted By: davidsmile (April 9, 2008 at 6:49 PM)

Another point to note, Tibetan minority are allowed to have three children, Han farmers are allowed 2 children & Han city dwellers are allowed one child. Does this policy sound pro-Tibet to me or what? If China wanted to rid Tibetans, why would they have this growth policy?

Point 2. If China were suppressing or wanted to deplete Tibetan people or culture, why did they build up Tibet and allow the world in to witness?


Posted By: davidsmile (April 9, 2008 at 6:35 PM)

Promisous, China helps the American economy via providing affordable products. What can the Dalai Lama do for US Americans? If he can line up those exile Tibetans into a production line & make us Americans something, then he can talk. We do not need Buddhism in our great American country. American is great because of Christianity, Tibetans are all screwed up because of your weirdo religion. Do not even say that I'm the Chinese Internet Police, they can not even spell.  

If you want to free Tibet go back there, I'm certain the Tibetan locals will welcome you. First thing they'll think is, "who is this foreigner, go back to where you come from." You feel that you want to be Tibetan, but reality you're not. Our government is giving him financial stipend of several million dollars a year.


Posted By: davidsmile (April 9, 2008 at 6:26 PM)

Melinda, just the fact that a few monks are protesting is a good thing, it shows tolerance. We have protest like that everyday somewhere in CA. So a few dozen monks have grievences, does that make China inhumane?  Thousands march against little George & the Iraq invasion(not a war), does that make Americans inhumane or a bully? Monk's view does not in anyway represent the majority of Tibetans. Remember that monks did to serfs as they wished in days of lamas, including duping many with young girls to sleeping with them. Then tell them, it is the way of enlightenment. This is like Jimmy Baker, sleeping with his young female congregation and telling them that God loves them the same way. At least there is a separation between church & state in America. Theocracy ran by monks put 95% of Tibetans into slavery, slave children remained slaves. This is why China was welcome by the 95% under-privileged. CIA covertly sent insurgents into Tibet in the 50's & 60's, non of them made it back out. Locals reported them to the police. It is like reporting a former bully to the police. Western media makes out like Tibet is out of control & the 1.3 bil Chinese people are revolting. What a joke. Anyone wonders who supports the Dalai Lama?  READ HERE: http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html. It is written by Americans.        

Americans and Europe tried to sodomize China and Asia in the 19th century(Forced Opium into China by UK) , now they again found out the industriousness of the Chinese. To sabatage economy by painting a ugly picture of China. Some Western poeople & Overseas Chinese are not blind.  Every news article that we see in the media has a hidden message or setting up another message. There are thousands of views & news, who picks out what to print is controlling what we read!


Posted By: lamia (April 9, 2008 at 5:21 PM)

Please do not be so negatively affected through the biased American media. The American media and the rest of the world is only making such a big fuss out of the "human rights violations" in China because it does not want the Chinese economy to boom more than it is already. I have seen no less of these "human rights violations" in any other part of the world including the great United States of America.

Personally, I think that is very unfair. I have lived in China for 12 years and visited Tibet a number of times and I ask you, what do you really know about the situation in China? Do you feel that just because a dozen of Tibetens see this chance as the perfect time to appeal to the world on independence that the Tibetans are really living under tyrannic rule? That the millions of Chinese people are opressed and living under dictatorship? For one, it is true that the Chinese government is corrupt and narrow-minded, but not much more than any other democratic government. I have seen the people living under very poor conditions, living under less than 20 euros a month and the Chinese government have done little to help this bottom class of the society. However, that is not a Chinese problem, it is a world problem.

What do you really know about truth about the history of the Chinese-Tibetan relationship? Did you know that Tibet was never an independent state in its entire history, that it was always under the rule of the Chinese? That before the Chinese Communists came to free Tibet, it was living under real opression? That the Dalai Lama and the rich rulers of Tibet, now in exile, asked for maiden sacrifices just so that they can make lamps with their skin? The lamps are on display in a few Museums in Shanghai. You probably did not know that the Chinese Communists abolished slavery in China.

How about the Dalai Lama? Because of his "peaceful means" to declare independence the Western world respects him and supports him. However, how long did it took him to get rid of his old ways of violence, gorilla attacks and brutal slaughter of innocent Han people to pick up a book by Ghandi and apply his formula to achieve the  independence he wants for Tibet?

The only reason the world wants to unite against the Chinese is racism. The same reason Hitler wanted to get rid of the Jews. They know that they cannot stop the Chinese economy from blooming in its usual way, so they use a different approach. To cause division within itself.

Before I finish I would like to share some facts with you. More Han people had been killed in the Tibetan rallies than the Tibtans captured by the police. In Tibet, it is not the Tibetans who live under opression, but the Han people. They fear for their lives that they will be attacked by the followers of the Dalai Lama. The hundred died in Tibetan demonstrations were nearly exclusively Han. The Dalai Lama has not seen Tibet for more than 40 years.

With this, I am not to say that that the Han people of China do not have any faults, but to make more people more aware of the other side of the argument. To asess things in your own time outside of the likes of CNN and come to a balanced conclusion. It is not to say that the Tibetans dont have a right to freedom, but that such things must be delt with order and peace. The Olympics symbolise unity across the nations but now it is tarnished by the division among the peoples in the World. I think that is the real pity of it all. I think somebody said, "The Olympic torch is not Beijing's torch". What right do we have to take away athletes' rights to demonstrate their abilities in a time when the world should unite together for peaceful games as family and friends, when after all, we are all humans.


Posted By: alykeieli (April 9, 2008 at 5:00 PM)

I was very disappointed after reading this article.  The title itself is nothing short of a misnomer.  it started off in a very negative way, "Here we go again."  Is it that you believe that the Tibetan monks are throwing another temper tantrum?  Do they not have the right to feel that they are being suppressed by China and that the Dalai Lama should be allowed to return to his motherland?  They should have the right to express themselves, and if not now, when?  Now is a perfect time now that the world is looking at China.  The two interviews with your "rent-a-quote" taxi driver and those poor teachers, teaching in obviuos substandard conditions. Did you not see how oppressed they were with when giving their answers?  If the Tibetans are biting the hand that feeds them, maybe it is because they are not fed enough.


Posted By: valadezaj (April 9, 2008 at 2:58 PM)

Yeah goldenstars. Just like we "liberated" Iraq.


Posted By: AppleM (April 9, 2008 at 2:50 PM)

Comment: Comment: People all around the world know that these white races are hypocrite (insincere) so why still fall into traps of these Westerners (such as the American white races)? Don't people see history and can tell how these white races have been trying to DOMINATE other races and countries in the world (including Asia, Africa, and Middle East etc). Why keep on discussing with people who are not sincere, who pretend to be angels (but in reality not) and who are liars themselves? Are you guys still so stupid like that? Tell me!


Posted By: AppleM (April 9, 2008 at 2:50 PM)

Comment: Comment: People all around the world know that these white races are hypocrite (insincere) so why still fall into traps of these Westerners (such as the American white races)? Don't people see history and can tell how these white races have been trying to DOMINATE other races and countries in the world (including Asia, Africa, and Middle East etc). Why keep on discussing with people who are not sincere, who pretend to be angels (but in reality not) and who are liars themselves? Are you guys still so stupid like that? Tell me!


Posted By: Freedom_Of_Speech (April 9, 2008 at 2:34 PM)

Melinda  Liu's article is not short. However, I ask myself, what is it good for to publish an interview of a questioned person who's freedom of speech is obviously not guaranteed?  

"Q: What’s your feeling about other Tibetans who are protesting right now?

A: It’s not easy for us to talk about these things."

In this context I think it's really cynical to use the heading THE CHINA PARADOX. The headmaster's statements would not lead to a contradiction if he was free to say what he thinks.  

Is this kind of defamatory work called journalism?