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Posted Tuesday, March 11, 2008 1:03 PM

Veteran Vs. Veteran: A Visit to Washington

David Botti
Thirty-seven years after John Kerry and the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) descended upon Washington, D.C. to protest against U.S. atrocities in Vietnam, a new generation of veterans will do the same later this week.  The group Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) is heading to the Capital as part of an event called Winter Soldier: Iraq & Afghanistan, named after the similar VVAW event four decades ago.  As IVAW puts it:

The four-day event will bring together veterans from across the country to testify about their experiences in Iraq and Afghanistan - and present video and photographic evidence. In addition, there will be panels of scholars, veterans, journalists, and other specialists to give context to the testimony. These panels will cover everything from the history of the GI resistance movement to the fight for veterans' health benefits and support.

There hasn't been much U.S. press coverage on the event, but the UK's Sunday Times, using the headline of "Patriot Missiles," had a lengthy magazine story on the subject:

The veterans are not against the military and seek not to indict it – instead they seek to shine a light on the bigger picture: that the Abu Ghraib prison regime and the Haditha massacre of innocent Iraqis are not isolated incidents perpetrated by “bad seeds” as the military suggests, but evidence of an endemic problem. They will say they were tasked to do terrible things and point the finger up the chain of command, which ignores, diminishes or covers up routine abuse and atrocities.


Other veterans, and vet bloggers, aren't thrilled with this event. A group called "Stop the Slander," described as a "coalition of concerned veterans, family members, and friends," has even published a guide for reporter's covering IVAW.  The guide warns journalists that claims made by IVAW may be untrue.  The guide even provides an acronym to follow of questions to ask:

D
: Date(s) – When did the incident occur?
U: Unit(s) – What military units were involved?
P: Personnel – What are the names of the participants and witnesses?
E: Event(s) – What exactly happened exactly where?
S: Signature(s) – Was this reported at the time or later and were reports, affidavits or depositions signed, or will they now be signed?


Veterans For Freedom blogger, Mark Seavey, took his own critical look at the IVAW's preparations for the Winter Soldier event, but in the end wrote that both sides of the debate should be heard -- without unnecessary contest or debate:

I think it speaks well of IVAW that they expect all testimony to be true and verifiable.  And there will plenty of eyes there to ensure that.  Hopefully we can all say our piece, discuss our views and then go home with no violence on anyone’s part.

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The term "Winter Soldier" is derived from Thomas Paine's passage intended to motivate George Washington's troops suffering at Valley Forge:

“These are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.”

This is generating a huge amount of debate within the vocal veterans community.  What's interesting to note is that perhaps the only demographic who can debate IVAW, without being called-out on their lack of service, is other veterans.  The issues goes above someone's service record, and shows how the fabled, and perhaps cliched, military bond can only go so far in such times of controversy.  Or, is it still there, above all the ruckus?  We'll soon find out.
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Posted By: RemyMartin (June 9, 2008 at 12:37 AM)

What's pathetic is that the US military is accepting CONVICTED rapists, murders, drug addicts, thieves, etc to fill its "Wonderful", "100% Hero" ranks. Then in BLANTANTLY OBVIOUS US military fashion tries to DENY that its ranks are rife with criminal trash committing HORRIFIC, GRUESOME MURDERS in the same country where the US military says it is creating a UTOPIA.

In fact as impossible as it may seem to ANYONE with even an ounce of justice in their body NOT ONE of the murdering scum in our US military charged to date has been convicted of murder in ANY degree...PATHETIC for America.

In Desert Scam I bush sr true propagandist that he was unjustly labeled all returning US troops "heroes" for a "war" he concocted, and which was conducted in hours. Calling ANYONE "hero" who was returning from a "war" where the "enemy" was ALWAYS shot in the back whilst RUNNING AWAY is at best a slap in the face, to the MILLIONS of humble but REAL American heroes who fought and died fighting a REAL ADVERSARY and a REAL THREAT to American freedom in the Second World War.  You're NOT a hero just because bush jr aka Ol' Gutless calls you that, you're just EASY to CON. NOT something you should really brag about LOL!

Desert Scam II was initiated by george jr to 1) Protect Israel from Sadaam paid bombers, 2) To claim the second largest oil fields in the world for bush's coporate masters the oil companies, and 3) To guarantee a pathetic one term president a second term    


Posted By: C. MacLean (March 13, 2008 at 10:15 AM)

It is one thing to volunteer to defend one's country. It's another thing entirely to know of atrocities and say nothing. That includes both atrocities committed by US soldiers, and atrocities committed against our soldiers. Both types of atrocities need to be talked about, and people who need to talk about them the most are those who have been there.

The true test of loyalty is not to blindly follow, no questions asked lemmings and sheep do this, not Americans. True loyalty to something you believe in demands examination, questions, and honest evaluation; otherwise, how can things improve?

As an officer in the Army Nurse Corps, I took an oath - the same oath the president of the United States takes, by the way - which says in part that I will uphold the Constitution of the United States. In too many instances, our Constitution has not been upheld in this war, and any soldier of conscience (like Admiral Fallon) has a duty to speak out.

As Americans, we have a duty to listen.


Posted By: Gabe KCMO (March 12, 2008 at 10:20 AM)

Great Post Chapalody.  All the armchair quarterbacks these days are sitting in the comfort of the suburbs or on the Hill in Washington.  This is an all volunteer army.  Those that join know of the possibility that they could be sent to fight.  My brother wasn't even with a unit that was slated to deploy, yet put in for a transfer to go.  That's heroism if you ask me.  If you don't agree with the war, that's your right, however, as a member of an all volunteer army, there should be no reason to make a big deal out of something you signed on to do.