Welcome to the first installment of Expertinent, a regular
Stumper column featuring interviews with political experts on the news
of the day. This afternoon, Rasmussen released poll showing former
Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee tied with Fred Thompson for second place in
Iowa with 18 percent--a full five points higher than his previous best, and
only seven points shy of longtime frontrunner Mitt Romney. So I called
up Dennis Goldford, professor of politics at Drake University in Des
Moines and one the leading analysts of Iowa's political landscape, to
talk about what Huckabee is doing right in the Hawkeye State--and
whether he can actually win.
Is Huckabee really doing this well in Iowa, or are the numbers deceptive?
Huckabee's
been doing right what Thompson's been doing wrong. He's working really
hard. He's extremely personable. He likes to talk to people. And on
paper, in terms of that core constituency among Republicans in Iowa, he
ought to be doing well. He's caught in that classic vicious circle: he
doesn't get a lot of campaign funding and media attention because
people don't think he's electible. But people don't think he's
electible because he's not getting much funding and media attention
But,
you know, the Republican field is in such flux, really, that it may be
his particular time. You've got to peak at the right moment. Four years
ago, Dean peaked four months toon soon. I'm not saying Huckabee can
overtake Romney, but...
Does he even need to overtake Romney?
No,
no he doesn't. If he can come within a half-a-dozen points of Romney,
then that's the major story. You know, look at the story that came out
of the straw poll, when he came within 13 points of Romney. It's all
about expectations. For those social and religious conservatives, he
could be the guy. And they're the tail that wags the dog here--they're not a majority, but they're a huge proportion, 30 to 40 percent
of Republican voters here perhaps, and they especially show up for
caucuses.
As far as viability, couldn't higher poll numbers like today's create their own momentum?
That's
right. Look how much more viable he looks now than before the Straw
Poll. Going from negative 10 to negative four is still not great,
perhaps, but it's definitely a big improvement.
A poll number
like this one, when it becomes well-known, both reports a political
fact and self-becomes a political fact. It's not just reporting
political news, it's making political news. People look at that and
say, "Maybe I ought to take a second look at Huckabee. Maybe he does
have a shot."
Nationwide, much has been written about how
social conservatives are none too pleased with the Republican field. Is
there a lot of dissatisfaction in Iowa with Romney as the frontrunner?
Or are they comfortable with him?
Don't forget that Romney's
been the only one on television. He's had a huge media buy ever since
late winter. And he's just here constantly. But there's something that
seems plastic or artificial about Romney. He's almost a robotic CEO
type. Whereas someone like Huckabee is what people expected Thompson to
be and what he hasn't turned out to be, so far--someone who's real
down-home and personable. He's just someone you'd be comfortable
sitting in a cafe having a cup of coffee with.
Is that particularly important in Iowa?
Oh
certainly. Absolutely. People generally across the country want to have
a sense that they're comfortable personally with the president. Even
if, as is mostly the case, their personal connection is through a
television. But especially in Iowa--like in New Hampshire, where people
say, "I don't know if I support him yet; I've only met him three or
four times"--that chance of relating to somebody in human terms is
crucial. And for Romney still, the great factor among evangelicals,
although some support him, is what they're going to do about his
Mormonism. That's still out there. Also the question of the sincerity
of his positions. There's an old saying that "liberals never learn
anything." Well, conservatives never forget anything. And they don't
forget that Romney was in many ways as liberal or moderate on social
issues as Giuliani still is. They don't trust Giuliani for it.
What about Thompson, who's tied with Huckabee in the Rasmussen poll?
He hasn't been around much. He doesn't seem like he's willing to pay his dues to do this.
And someone who's not willing to do retail politics is not going to do well in Iowa, of all places.
That's
right. Thompson was just this cipher. I told folks during the debate in
Des Moines that Thompson was just another word for "none of the above."
He was a place for Republicans to park their hopes and aspirations
while they're dissatisfied with the current Republican crowd. I also
said that he'd never be as popular as the day he announces. And so far,
that's been the case.
Are these latest poll numbers a sign
that social conservatives are breaking with Thompson and Romney and
getting more comfortable with Huckabee?
That could well be. He's
a social conservative without fangs. Huckabee's views are as
conservative as anybody's in the social conservative movement. But
they're almost Reaganesque in their geniality. That's one argument for
his electibility--and the poll numbers definitely help.
What does Huckabee need to do between now and the caucuses to ensure a strong finish?
He's
got to try to persuade people that they can make him a viable
contender. That a vote for him is not a wasted vote or a protest vote.
That if they have the will to believe they can make him a real player.
Won't that be tough without more money?
But
don't forget, in 1996 "President" Phil Gramm said, "I've got the best
friend any politician could want--ready money." Notice I said
"President" Phil Gramm. I was at the station here where I do election
analysis. It was caucus night, it was 6:00PM, he was stopping in and
caucuses weren't for another hour. And yet he walked into that station
and there was the smell of political death about him. He knew it was
done, even though he had a ton of money. So money's necessary, but not
sufficient. You can't buy the caucuses.