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Posted Wednesday, December 12, 2007 4:30 PM

Who Won the Debate? Iowans, Maybe. Pundits? Not So Much.

Andrew Romano

If a tree falls in the woods and no one's there to hear it, does it make it a sound?

Or, to put it another way: When a bunch of Republican candidates debate in Des Moines at 1:00 in the afternoon, does it make a difference?

The potential was there. Today's Des Moines Register debate--the final face-off before Iowa's Jan. 3 caucuses--was hyped to high heaven, with headlines in all the major papers riffing on the basic (if self-promotional) premise put forth this morning by the Register itself: "Last Debate Could Have Seismic Impact." With only 22 days to go and 60 percent of the electorate still undecided, even a debate held smack dab in the middle of the work day looked likely to send ripples through the Republican race--especially as the strange start time would allow the MSM to declare winners and losers and exaggerate the contours of the encounter long before any actual working Iowans got a chance to watch the 7:00 p.m. re-broadcast.

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But alas--'twas not to be. In fact, the most telling clash this afternoon was not between any two candidates--it was between the Des Moines Register debate staff (led by the schoolmarmish editor/moderator Carolyn Washburn) and the bellicose Beltway chatterati (led by Chris Matthews and Co.).

The debate, as you may have noticed, wasn't really a debate; there were no follow-ups, few direct confrontations and nary a reference to the news of the day. Instead, Washburn dismissed with the two top Iowa issues (Iraq and immigration) and conducted the ceremony as a down-the-line, uninteractive recitation of each candidate's positions on debt, education, global warming and trade policies.

Unsurprisingly, the format failed to produce any fireworks (save for Alan Keyes' melodramatic monologues). And, unsurprisingly, the D.C. commentariat were appalled. They wanted Huckabee to call Romney a cult member, and Romney to call Huckabee a bigot. A slip, a gaffe, a knife in the back--anything "hot," as Chris Matthews put it during the post-show. Absent any grist for horserace-style analysis, the MSM declared that Romney looked presidential, Thompson substantial, McCain tired, Giuliani diminished--and no one knocked Huckabee, the Iowa frontrunner, off his pedestal. Basically, that nothing "newsworthy" happened. And I basically agree.

But I wonder how real live Iowans will see it. Yes, the CW has plenty of time to circulate before Iowa tunes in at 7:00. That said, I can't imagine the MSM's insubstantial analysis--a dismissal, essentially--will stick. The debate won't provide Iowans with a new, prefabricated media narrative. Instead, it'll do what it was designed to do--provide them with data that may (or may not) help them decide who to support.
Voters always tell me that they wish the media would "stick to the issues." That's exactly what Washburn did.

Simply put, we were looking for news. They were looking for information.
And on a day like today, those are two very different things. Here's hoping they're not as disappointed in Des Moines as they are in D.C.
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Posted By: JohnW. (December 15, 2007 at 11:39 PM)

The American people know that something is terribly wrong and that their collective will is being ignored in favor of the will of monied elites. How this is actually manifested and carried out is unknown to most, but the effects are well known to most. This is why support for first tier Republican candidates is a mile wide and an inch deep while support for second tier candidates is narrow, but very deep.  Those second tier candidate supporters rely on the internet for their information and go to the sources media people go to. But citizens have more freedom of thought and expression than media employees of the rich have. Unfortunately even the second tier candidates are afraid to use the forums of the national debates to inform the American people of what is driving their disenfranchisement. When the American people wake up and realize that they were not vigilant when they needed to be, it will probably be too late. The senate can ratify treaties that subvert our constitutional sovereignty and liberties. And it will only take one or two supreme court justices to go over to the "liberal" saide and it will be all over.


Posted By: noamnesty (December 13, 2007 at 11:35 AM)

The full read

I find it hard to understand why the american voters are so easy to fool. Its my opinion the top tier candidates in both partys souldnt be there.

On the republican side with  Giuliani and Romney,. America better watch there [six] with these two guys.

Giuliani:  Is nobody without 9/11 he stereotypes everything that comes out of his mouth. Giuliani is a fixed idea or iamge of himself.

Romney:  is a micro manager.

Thompson: A good VP.

Huckabee: would be just another Carter

On the democrats side with Hillary and Obama,. We are being flank by all the democrats on this health care issue. Blind side with oversimplification. Hillary:  I have my doubts we already have the first women speaker of the house in history. Her first 100 hours turn out to be a one way ticket to a nothing show.          

Obama:  This guys is real scary talk about FAUTY LOGIC this man is a Harvard gratuate with a law degree I wouldnt let this guy handle a parking ticket for me.  Debate'ing skills are zero

Edwards:  All I see is Dan Quayle just go away to Mr Edwards.

Biden:  Is the best choice for a  the democrats. At lease he understands policy.

I don't think the American people or the media  fully understand this country is at war. This war is as real as real can get. A war started by a sitting United States President. In 2006 the Democrats took claim there party will end the war. The debate moderated by Tim Russert asked the question " Will you have the troops out by 2013?". Hillary, Obama and Edwards replied with the answer "NO". This reponse will continue the  body bags coming home intill 2013 and beyond. This war is a great big castle with four towers at each corner tower 1 is Iran  2 is Syria  3 is Pakistan  4 is Jordan and Saudi Arabia. The strategy was to put our military right smack in the middle of a ticing time bomb. Fighting in two court yards without secure borders. Iam 52 years old I watch my brothers come home from Vietnam with there heads down tears in there eyes. I dont want to see that again in my life time We must win this fight.

Give me my rifle give me a ride to the battle at 52 I will fight right next to the kids who are trying to keep our freedom and our way of life and mainly our SOVEREIGNTY.      

Its been said about President Truman.

"As President, Truman made some of the most crucial decisiions in history".

The next Commander - in - Chief  takes office on January 20th, 2009. He/ she will have to handle this Middle East nightmare that President Bush has initally started. The new President will have to find a new edge to Foreign Policy. The right touch of Dipolmacy will be key.

The only candidate thats been right the whole time is

Senator John McCain is the only candidate on record that can bring this nation back to the center .He is the only one that can strategically top Mr. Truman's decision-making. He is the only candidate to resolve and unite this nation without a big boom.


Posted By: wonderfwuka (December 13, 2007 at 2:10 AM)

John McCain is such a blatent fake it's scary. Not to mention he looks a little like Freddy Kruger spliced with Mini Me.

Romney is a Mormon battery powered manequin given life by Joseph Smith Jr. and Calvin Kline.

Giuliani's creators forgot to install his upper lip while applying faux skin to his robotic mainframe. They also misplaced the moral and truth telling chipset, explaining his calmness during and after the 9/11 attacks. He knew.

Thomson needs to spit out the chew. I think he swallows.

Ron Paul has done irreperable damage to the going system. Even if he doesn't get the nomination, people have heard too much of a whole lot of truth to sit well with whoever, or whatever is elected. Ron Paul is the real deal. Go Ron Paul!