When Morgan Stanley Asia chairman Stephen S. Roach talks, people listen -- his opinions on the global economy have been known to trigger policy shifts from Beijing to Washington. For years, as Morgan Stanley’s chief economist, he was one of the Cassandras of the global economy, warning boom-day investors to be wary of the imbalances that eventually led to the financial crisis. Now, as the bank’s top executive in Asia, he’s written a new book, “The Next Asia,” published September 29th in the U.S. The warning this time -- while this may be Asia’s century, the coming power shift from West to East won’t be as easy as everyone thinks. Below, he sounds off to NEWSWEEK’s Rana Foroohar.
Foroohar: How did the financial crisis change your view on the future of Asia?
Roach: I think it was a real wake up call for the entire Asian export led growth model. It puts the underpinnings of this in perspective – if the US consumer is in the early stages of a long term pull back, as I suspect, then Asia has big problems.
In your book, you talk a lot about the four “uns” of the Chinese economy -- what are these and how did you identify them?
I was in Beijing at the end of the national people’s congress in March 2007. The premier was speaking in the great hall of the people, and I was sitting not too far from him with some very senior Chinese officials. During the course of the speech, he said that “on the surface, the Chinese economy looks terrific, but below the surface, it’s unbalanced, unstable, uncoordinated, and unsustainable.” Before the English translation came through, the most senior official near me gasped. So, I knew whatever he had said was going to be big. Following that speech, I thought a lot about what he had said, and how the four “uns” were going to influence the course of China’s future.
It’s been a turbulent year in China, with the Uigher unrest and deaths in Xinjiang province this year, but also the amazing 2nd quarter GDP figures (growth was up 17 percent), which have inspired trust in the government. What’s your sense of the level of political risk in China at the moment?
The key issue is always employment, which was hit very hard this year due to the export crash in Guangdong province. More than 20 million migrant workers lost their jobs there, and this is a huge factor in social stability. Of course, the government knows that growth is the antidote, and that’s why the fiscal stimulus plan pulled out all the stops, and bank lending soared. While I’m not one of the people who believe there is major political risk in China at the moment, there could be problems longer term if growth slows.
And what’s the risk of that?
I think China will keep its momentum through the first half of 2010, but after that, if the US continues to be weak, exports in China will continue to lag and then it’s very possible you’ll see more unemployment. The government will undoubtedly respond in the same way, launching a massive stimulus with big infrastructure projects and lots of lending. So, you’ll have more of the same -- and the economy will become even more unbalanced (already, government investment is up to 50 percent of GDP, which is unprecedented).
There’s a sense that the Chinese have managed the financial crisis as well or better than any country. Would you agree?
When they released the 2Q GDP figures, there were a lot of congratulations internally and externally. But then they started getting more critical feedback. I wrote a piece in the FT saying that they’d sacrificed quality for quantity in terms of growth. And, to their credit, the leadership responded, both in terms of slowing bank lending and sending signals that a cooling of the stock market would be fine. I’m encouraged by that.
What’s the biggest myth about Asia right now?
The perception that the baton of economic leadership is seamlessly being passed from West to East. There’s a romance about the BRICs, or Asia, or China itself picking up effortlessly from the tired and over-burdened American consumer. All of this is premature. The basic premise of “The Next Asia” is that there’s still a lot of work to be done.
You dedicate your book to the 1.8 billion Asians “who remain on the outside looking in,” meaning those living on $2 a day or less. What’s the single most important thing that could be done to help these people?
Microfinance. What do you want -- foreign aid from your rich uncle, or the opportunity to empower yourself? There’s a lot of evidence now that microfinance can play a huge role in economic development.
You’ve traveled widely in Asia. Who have you met there that you admire most?
I think the heads of the major Indian conglomerates are very impressive. Mukesh Ambani (of Reliance) in particular stands out. This is a company that started in energy, then moved into telecoms, agriculture, retail, and did it all within a poor and complex Indian business environment. We could learn a lot from these companies.